|SOG| Tournament Spring/Summer 2018 Edition - comments

[KeeRIeS]

Introduction:

Hello!

As SOG has been working pretty well nowadays, especially I have met many of you on our SOG servers almost every evening, there came an idea to my mind. I mean it has been coming to my mind for quite long time but now, as you're reading this short introduction to the main content of this post, the idea has grown up and now has even got its own moustache... So here I am at the end of this intro to present this idea, that will hopefully succeed being something great, something special and it will become high standard for next |SOG| tournaments in future. Argh, it was supposed to be a secret... So now I can say:

WE'VE GOT A TOURNAMENT <- click, click!!! (http://www.sog-team.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=2552#post2552)
(http://www.sog-team.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=2552#post2552)

[SAS_Random]

This sounds very exciting. I'll have to join a team.

c) Teams of 3 (max.) - Less Lethal
Disallowed EQ is: pepperspray, Less-lethal shotgun, pepperball, taser, c2.
[/SIZE] Players are allowed to take anything not mentioned as disallowed.
[SIZE=2]Only 1 player per a team is allowed to equip Optiwand.

You may want to edit this bit to say Teams of 3 (max.) - Lethal Equipment

[SAS_Random]

For the lethal portion, perhaps disallowing CS gas and grenade launchers might be a good idea.

[KeeRIeS]

For the lethal portion, perhaps disallowing CS gas and grenade launchers might be a good idea.

Post moved to the correct thread.

Also, good point about grenade launchers - added to the eq info. However, grenades will stay allowed. Also, as you wrote in PM, melee attack will stay allowed for those not surrending on grenade and shout, as it is more suitable for those non-surrending only than pepper sprays - you rather dont use melee attack on armed suspect and with pepper spray someone might try to use it on such cases :)

Thanks for your feedback! :)

[Ninwes]

Post moved to the correct thread.

Also, good point about grenade launchers - added to the eq info. However, grenades will stay allowed. Also, as you wrote in PM, melee attack will stay allowed for those not surrending on grenade and shout, as it is more suitable for those non-surrending only than pepper sprays - you rather dont use melee attack on armed suspect and with pepper spray someone might try to use it on such cases :)

Thanks for your feedback! :)

One thing punchin a civ hurts it and can kill it if it's already hurt.

[SAS_Random]

The only issue I might see with allowing pepper spray is pepper rushing small rooms or corners as an exploit. I'd restrict its use to last resort non compliance ( which requires observation or an honor system) or remove it entirely. All teams would be equally "punished " 5 points for no civ injured so it's a level playing field.

[SAS_Random]

Another concern personally is that Id like my son to partner with me. Can we remove the single player per IP restriction for the tournament?

[sander]

Another concern personally is that Id like my son to partner with me. Can we remove the single player per IP restriction for the tournament?

Yes this should be possible i haven't had any conversation with keeries about the servers for the tournament yet. but in my view this should be allowed.

[deki32]

Sounds really interesting.Let's see if more people will join in.This has potential to be something special and could set a standard for SOG tournaments in the future ;).Is this tournament specific to vanilla or Stechkov? Cheers

[KeeRIeS]

One thing punchin a civ hurts it and can kill it if it's already hurt.

Penalties caused by hurting or even killing suspects by punching them will be ignored in final result in such case :)

Sounds really interesting.Let's see if more people will join in.This has potential to be something special and could set a standard for SOG tournaments in the future ;).Is this tournament specific to vanilla or Stechkov? Cheers

Probably mixed as I'd like to see some custom maps to be played in tournament.


Another concern personally is that Id like my son to partner with me. Can we remove the single player per IP restriction for the tournament?

If only it is technically possible, you can successfully sign up as a team with your son, you can also both sign up in category SOLO to also competite with each other :) In such case, voice confirmation of your identity would be helpful I think. Also you need to remember that every player of team has to be active Forum Member (more info about what that exactly means you can find in the signups thread)

[KeeRIeS]

Hey guys! Be aware of some added rules. Especially those about some tricks spotted often by experienced players. Some of them are disallowed in tournament due to their unreality (being bugs in fact).

In case of questions about some 'tricks' you would like to use in the tournament games - ask them here ASAP, so we can make it clear before the games start.

Best regards and feel warmly welcomed and encouraged to sign up!
~|SOG|KeeRIeS

[SAS_Random]

Yeah sign me in for this :)

Name of the team: The Dark Side
Category: C
List of team members:
1. SAS_Random
2. RJ
3. Columbo (obviously)

Nice! We can meet up on Discord and talk strategy. I'll try to keep it on as much as I can over the next few days.

[tmarx]

I'd like to join a team of three...

[SAS_Random]

I don't see a list of disallowed tactics, bugs or cheats--aside from the C2 trick. The rules should cover what SOG consider to be within these disallowed tactics and post up front. Anything not covered should be considered as innovative/creative and be allowed. IMHO.

[KeeRIeS]

I'd like to join a team of three...

Hey! You should probably ask the team leaders of those registered teams that has a free place as they might not observe this thread. Also, you can also create your own team in any category/categories you want - there is no minimum of players needed in any of three categories :)

Good luck on looking for your teammates and in the tournament of course, too! :)

[KeeRIeS]

I don't see a list of disallowed tactics, bugs or cheats--aside from the C2 trick. The rules should cover what SOG consider to be within these disallowed tactics and post up front. Anything not covered should be considered as innovative/creative and be allowed. IMHO.


Hey Mate and thank you again for your feedback! :)

There are no disallowed tactics, the only lilmit is about EQ used (you can find more info about it in the signing up thread).

About cheats, I modified the rule a little bit to give some examples of cheats. However, every third-party application modifying the way the game was supposed to be played will be disallowed. No way to predict any additional app a player might use. If you are programist you can make an application that will throw grenades for you or yell.

When it comes to bugs, which is probably the most problematic case, as some players use them not even realising or considering them as bugs. It is quite hard to precisely define them. I can hardly find any bug you might use, especially in COOP mode. The C2 trick might also be taken as a normal way of how the C2 works, as after opening the door the range of explosion is changed. That's why C2 trick was mentioned not in the brackets near the bugs but in another sentence. The only bug that comes to my mind is the one with shooting randomly and getting suspects out of the room - which is disallowed in the tournament as very not realistic susepcts' reaction. In case you know any other bugs that might be used to simplify the COOP gameplay and you would like to use them or you are afraid any other team might try to use them, you can let me know what bugs you mean and we'll consider if they are OK to be used or we should better place them on the list of disallowed so everybody has the clear view - also any other player - if anyone has any bug in their minds, let me know before the tournament, so we can avoid any disappointing disqualifications for bug using.

Regards,

[KeeRIeS]

#ITI
To: All Teams' Members

To clarify some of gameplay problematic situations, I decided to place here some explaination:


The game and every map played in SWAT4 and SWAT4 TSS have their well-known places where suspects usually hide theirselves. The referees have no effective way to know if the player knows the map by heart or just takes the risk because they want to do it this way. Therefore, there will no by any limitations in the gameplay and tactics for each room, i.e. if you know there is always a suspect in one place you don't have to pretend you're using a mirror to be allowed to enter and use a tazer. Knowing the map is a part of your training and preparation for the tournament and can only be taken as your good preparation and skill. The game is what it is, we're not moding the game to randomize suspects' location more than it does by default
In case the game makes it insane hard for you with a bug with non-compliance civilian or suspect, you will be guided by a present Referee how to deal with it. You can report such situation in the chat in-game (or Discord if being used). In extreme situation lethal ways to solve the problem will be allowed by the Referee and the penalty points will not be counted to the final score.

In case of questions, do not hesitate to ask!

[Ninwes]

I don't see a list of disallowed tactics, bugs or cheats--aside from the C2 trick. The rules should cover what SOG consider to be within these disallowed tactics and post up front. Anything not covered should be considered as innovative/creative and be allowed. IMHO.

All general sever rules stay active even if it's tournament, coop rules might be changed as it is a coop tournament for a reason and the reasons can put up by the one making the tournament.

[Columbo]

Hello,
a little questions about the rating system, which hasnt mentioned so far i think.
What role TIME will play in the final evaluation? Will there be a score/time rating or will the SCORE have priority in all situations?

Crucial question i think, since it will promote different tactics...

Greetings

[KeeRIeS]

Hello,
a little questions about the rating system, which hasnt mentioned so far i think.
What role TIME will play in the final evaluation? Will there be a score/time rating or will the SCORE have priority in all situations?

Crucial question i think, since it will promote different tactics...

Greetings

Hey!

Was mentioned here: In every category the final score is the score gained on each of 3 played maps. In case there are more than one player/team with the same score, time needed to end a map decides which player/team wins.

All scoring system is explained in the signing up thread, also the drawn date and maps will be announced soon.

[SAS_Random]

Time only matters if there is a tie score in this tournament. If we need to take a bit longer to get an extra point, then we should sacrifice time for improved score.

[KeeRIeS]

Due to some comments coming to me via Discord about rules on how we count the score: If you have any ideas how to modify the score system for tournament purposes, please post them here, so we can discuss them and open a poll in case it's needed.

Cheers,